Cross-dressing, Trapping

Clothes should be fine. I faced a cheeky cashier asking personal questions once when I was picking up a bra/panties, but I've done it other times without any troubles.

A little embarrassment is the worst you'll face.

Also try to figure out your sizes!

OP here

anyone able to do the math on my size?

32-33 waist 34 length(that dosnt rlly matter)
6'2 170 (im a skinny guy minus my leggs that are build for hiking)

also, anyone find a good workout to increase my ass poofyness? i got a white man ass atm.

I've found that with Small/Medium/Large, it's usually just the next size name up.

Women's number sizes continue to confound me. Do you have any family/friends around the same size as yourself? It might be possible to check their clothing sizes, or just ask if you're out.

Otherwise, good luck making it to a change room!

i really really want to go to wal mart tonight and buy a bra (my stuff jobs look terrible atm). im so scared tho. also worried that when there ill start to panic and grab one thats too small.

I (as an obvious guy) just bought a bunch of shirts & crap with no problems from the Wal-mart today. (Going on another shopping spree tomorrow!)

For bras, the width is the width around your chest just below where the boobs would go. The letter corresponds to the number of inches out your boobs extend from there. I take a 36A. (This part is a bit embarrassing, since looking at the size numbers makes it a bit obvious that they're for me. Just don't draw attention to that part.)

I'd suggest picking up pushups if possible, for the built-in padding and remote chance of something resembling cleavage.

look for a store with self checkout, there are quite a few of them

If you're afraid to go out and BUY the clothes, how do you expect to go out WEARING them?

>>If you're afraid to go out and BUY the clothes, how do you expect to go out WEARING them?

QFT. Seriously, just do it. You'll live.

(I guess if you pass, you're still technically keeping your "hobby" a secret.)

Seriously, they dont think its weird. Even if they do, they wont say anything. I buy clothes, makeup, panties, etc from Hot Topic all the time. Ive even tried on girls clothes in the changing room. Its all gooood.

Just go somewhere at night like Wal-mart. There are so many weirdos there at night, the cashier won't care. I usually just have my stuff mailed to me. I've done the P.O Box thing too, that's the most discrete way.

I haven't had the balls to go shopping at lingerie/women stores though. I'm too obvious and stand out like a sore thumb since I tend to stay in a store for hours whenever I shop :(.

yes

>>570

fail

Same problem here. ;_;

I just shave whenever I need to. I hate it. >_>

Many would recommend that you shouldn't use it with more than two or three days' worth of hair growth, if you're using a decent epilator. Similarly, using it every two days or so from that point should help. Also, try stretching the skin, changing directions, and varying the speed you use it... sometimes it takes a while for the skin to get used to the sensation.

Also, I know it sucks to hear this... but sometimes epilators are better suited to certain types of hair (underarm, bikini line, leg, &c.). And just with any hair removal technique, exfoliate and moisturize.

Get some hair removal cream instead. Leave it of for 5-10 minutes, scrub off in the shower and youre set. Seriously, i done this about a month ago and the hair has only just started to grow back. It leaves the new hair softer too so its easier to do next time (at least it feels that way).

You can end up burning yourself with it though but thats only if youre fucking retarded.

>>584

What brand would you recommend? All the reviews I see online are really mixed/inconsistent.

>>584
From my experience, hair removal cream doesn't get the roots.

Unless you've found some super-magic cream, in which case, please do tell! ;)

Anyway, most hair removal which pulls out the entire hairs (epilators, wax, sugar) works best with only a couple mm of growth.

Tugging close to the root is more successful than tugging from further up the hair.

>>627
>>628

Sorry about the late reply.

Im using "Veet hair removal cream with aloe vera and vitamin e". It works best on short hair. I've had little to no problems with it.
Its lasted a long time regardless of whether it reaches the roots or not. I dont have alot of experience with other methods though, so maybe my input isnt that usefull.

http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/transgender/eflora.html there you go. Trust me :D

>>632
I read about that stuff at tsroadmap, but doesn't it require you to be on a hormone regiment to work? (It kind of "reboots" your hairs to do what your body is telling them to do.)

And it's expensive as shit.

Could try applying some foundation after you shave and cover up any tough spots with a yellow toned concealer.

Waxing your face just sounds silly and painful.

I'll give it some thought. I don't really know the first thing about makeup, but I guess I'd need it anyway before being able to pass in public.

Tsroadmap suggests "Don't Go to the Cosmetics Counter Without Me", and I saw this at the bookstore. Is it too advanced for an absolute beginner like myself, or does it cover the basics as well?

I also worry about getting outed by being overly-made-up. I'd like to be able to pass without makeup at all if possible. My face is naturally fairly feminine; it's just the facial hair which is the problem.

Depending on how young you are, I wouldn't bother trying permanent hair removal (or even something long-term like waxing), since your skin may still have a lot of developing to do.

But I agree that makeup is a good place to start. Purchasing a desk mirror and a how-to book, like "Making Faces" by by Kevyn Aucoin, can go a long way (that and a lot of patience).

Well I'm 23, but I do still, disconcertingly, see the hair inching its way up my cheeks a bit still. (I wish I could have started hormones by now... >.>)

I have a makeup book which I'll give a good read and review my options. Thanks!

If u mean actually changing ur facial structure, hormones i guess changes that alittle. other then that beets me.
are there any like creams or whatever that would do that?

>>575
Yes there are Feminization Creams and Herbal Pills that will fix all your worries.

Jesus fuck what do you think, of course there isn't.

There's plenty of make-up tips online that teach you tricks that can make you appear a bit more femme... look 'em up!

>>528

go google tsroadmap

Nothing wrong with using stuff from your sister. Go ahead! :>

>>531

The only 'problem' with using your sisters stuff is if you get aroused by it. Cue incest and all sorts of shit if that happens. People view it as sick, yeah, but i sniff my sisters underwear and use them to fap whenever i can and i dont give a fuck. As long as noone finds out, its all cool.

>>536
They're just clothes. I don't think using her clothes and feeling aroused in them will lead to panty sniffing or physical attraction. I've been dressing in my mom's clothes for a while now, and it hasn't "escalated", if you know what I mean.

if she has thongs and pantyhose put them on :)

>>537
if by escalated you mean your mom hasn't found out i'd be outright shocked if she didn't know already

>>541
By "escalated" I meant getting turned on from the person the clothes belong. I was responding to >>536:

>Cue incest and all sorts of shit if that happens.

But anyway, I don't think my mom knows. If she does, then she's acting like she doesn't, which is good enough for me.

sorry i have to get use 2 using cde/chan here
i know i'm not at doing pixs yet and i just got a temp job and not on mones yet so any all help ideas if u can

>>559
buy your own damn clothes
get your shit together
worry about hormones after 1&2

Note a majority of transwomen can't do that so you'd automatically be in a better place as long as you can cope

OP not me BTW

...kind of sounds like you want do whatever is easiest.

i like to think I know how you feel, I've burried my feelings about such things in piles of denial over the last 27 years.

I am hairy, Broad shouldered, and I do a lot of theater. So my sissyness always looses out on the thought that it isn't worth it.

After shaving every hair on my body, exercising to loose weight, and corsetting my belly away and doing my hair and putting on make-up just to reach this ideal of femininaty I have imprinted on my psyche just doesn't seem worth it at the end of the day.

And If I did all of the Hormones and had the surgeries to further appease this ideal, I don't think i would ever get cast in another play ever again because the theater world sadly is a really shallow place.

So I remain male. Live life as a male. And Fantasize. Unlike most of the folks I've met I am comfertable in my masculinity. I enjoy the duality of being able to go back and forth. Sure i can never reach that ideal in my head that I long for, but i get by on my late night cross dress fests...

I don't know if that helps you, atleast know that your not alone, I only hope that the Gender Movement can take on the hippy feminine ideal and so we can see lots of lovely hippy M2f who don't have to worry about shaving their leggs or armpits... or chests... or balls for that matter!

sounds like you're just in the closet about being gay and can't admit it to yourself hth

thanks for your reply anon, although I don't share that hypothesis, I had sexual experiences with a girl and liked very much! :D any other possibilities?

>>my definition

The moment you start to worry more about how, and why, you are defined in the eyes of others is sometimes the exact moment you forget to the stuff that really matters... like coming to understand who you are as a person, and how you view yourself.

I know it can be easy for someone on the web to sit back and say "don't worry about what others think about you..." but I mean the best for you (and other CD/trappers, assuredly) when I say that it will do wonders for you mentally when you focus on being confident in yourself rather than searching for confidence in someone else.

You're a person that likes to be a girl and is sexually attracted to girls and feminine boys.

No need for labels. :D

>>532
Thank you!! that's a GOOD answer!! ^_^

>>532
sounds just like me :]

You're kind of hoping for the impossible... the scrotum pulls tight because of the flow of blood that shifts about the lower body in periods of arousal.

If you're interested in "keeping things in place," then I suggest shopping for restrictive wear or scrotum rings.

>>556

Damn, thats dissapointing. I dont fancy using ball rings or any kind of 'device' so i supose im out. Thanks for the info.

Personally, I settle this conflict with the knowledge that I have reconciled a few things about myself: (1) It's a solid fact that somewhere in the world, there's a biological girl with my exact body shape/type, with this in mind, imagin this girl in the mirror, think of how she presents herself, how she dresses herself appropriately, and so on; (2) to quote crossdresser Charles Anders' book 'The Lazy Crossdresser': "You may already have felt uncomfortable with your body in men's clothes, so it may feel liberating to wear the 'right' threats at last. But also, things that bothered you a bit about your body may nag more when you go girly [...] Think of girl duds as a passport to physical insecurity. A body that may have seemed perfectly serviceable when you wore jeans and bowling shirts suddenly sticks out in the wrong places." and (3) I've worked through the "guilt" and compulsion of being a man masquerading as a woman, effectively putting on a facade for myself... that's all by me now.

It's not something you'll come to believe overnight -- but try to understand that looking how you want to look and being who you want/need to be rarely if ever start out on the same emotional wavelength. Trying to make these two parallel lines converge on the horizon, for me, includes staying healthy physically and emotionally.

>>239 This.
And also, consider what your goals are. Are you say over 9000 pounds and want to look like Linetrap? Always set your goal to a level that will see results if you TRY to make it happen. My face need more pass... how does face pass itself? Well, go get your brows did, your hair did and do like I do and use every product on the market to get a clear soft skin. Take care of yourself, lose a little.
How about welcome to womanhood. I'm an older woman. I have to do everything in the book in order to pass. I'm very sure you don't have anti-wrinkle cream on your dresser.
Think about how a woman lives her life. What work does she do in order to look good. Do just that.
Also, you mention being ugly. I to am ugly as sin! I fucking rein in my ugliness. Somehow, i won the game. I have younger traps posting "I love you" and chasers around every corner of the internet. Why would these people want to even give my ugly ass the time of day? I'm an old tranny that drinks like a fish and smokes a pack a day. Everybody knows my reputation and just about everything they say about me is true. I am such fucking fail you wouldn't believe it.
The key word is confidence. I am confident despite the way I look. This turns people on. I never care about what people think, I do as I please and start fires online just to see them grow. People like confident. As a matter of fact, confidence can be more of a key factor in passing than fucking whoremoans. Think about that.
So, set REAL goals.
Be confident.
Emulate women.
Win the game.

>>240
No one can with THE GAME.

OP here,

Thanks for the advice, everyone. It's appreciated, although I still don't know that I can completely accept it...

Bump. Im a reletivly masculine guy and i really want to start crossdressing, I'd love to be a trap but thats unrealistic. I admire men who can pull off crossdressing on confidence alone, its so inspiring.

Ive resently started buying long socks/thing high socks (what are they called?) and 'panties' because they are eay to hide.

I have low confidence and very time i go to wear anything unmanly i think im a perv and shit.

>>293
Everyone has there own vice(s) they hide from other people, because they think it will make people view them as a deviant. Since everyone has a vice, who is say one is worse than another (assuming your vice doesn't involve hurting non-consenting parties)

Don't worry about feeling like a perv, unless you like that feeling. =)

>>237
Yea once you stop focusing on the "perfect body,face, or wtv" you can enjoy the good looking aspects you can reach and have. This is true for all people, transgendered or not... although I'm sure its harder for some than others, I consider myself a work in progress...

Just one question OP; where did you get the picture of those shoes? I must have them :3

-go to a good college
-get a good job
-work hard
-get paid a lot
-surgery

>>241

You are a horrible person. I was scrolling down and all I saw was THE GAME.

>>504
this!

those shoes look adorable and I want them!

Remember when your lego mini-fig arms would snap off?

And they had that weird balls and... hole thing to get them back in?

And after trying FOREVER to finesse it you finally managed to get just the right position and movement down?

JUST

LIKE

THAT

q_q

Sounds painful... O.O

>>407
It can be. Especially if you leave yourself like that for an extended period of time...

I'm not an advocate of sumberging the testes (but to each his/her own, I suppose); but if you really want to know, place a finger on either side, at the axis of the testicle / base of the penis and press slightly upward. If you do it by accident, it can get a little scary, given the unfamiliar and somewhat uncomfortable squeezing sensation you'll feel...

It doesn't hurt exactly. You know what it feels like to get kicked in the balls? It's that feeling, but without the pain. It feels like a sinking in your gut, kind of. If something hurts, either you're crushing them or twisting them, or some tubes are getting kinked.

It took me over a year to learn how to do it correctly. If you really can't find the holes, take a cold bath and see if they'll go in on their own.

For me, the key was pulling my dick down, while pushing the nuts up. Pushing them up on their own didn't always work.

I'd be careful...I kind of bruised my shaft tugging it to hide the fellas.

>>407

I know this might sould "off the wall" but it accidently worked for me. I was jerking upside down once and it happened and I didn't notice it. I was like, wheres ma'balls? Its the only way I can get it done is kicking my legs over my shoulders and getting hard, otherwise it hurts like theres a 5lb weight on my balls.

Seems different for every person.

it happens to me on its own sometimes when i jerk off, it doesn't feel like anything really, i can just move it there and/or move it back down, it feels sort of funny to have your balls above your penis but it doesn't actually "feel", rather a psychological experience. You just sort of push the testicle feeling it under the skin, pass the penis and above it. It's easiest to do when your penis is erected

Anything involving sales or marketing is out. Employers want those kinds of people to be as normal and unremarkable-looking as possible. Even a food service job, might be difficult being trans unless you're in a really liberal place (college campus).
You need to learn a skill. Try something involving computers (since you don't need to talk with customers), the IT field is SOMEWHAT accepting of us. Either that, or move out to LA and join the entertainment industry. Or maybe try to get a job working with a LGBT organization. Or, here's an idea, be a telephone operator for something, like a credit card company or 911.
I've been where you're at. My best advice, in all seriousness, is to lay off the pot and alcohol for a year or so. It's a bitch, but the people out there who are doing the hiring are generally stuffy conservative normalfags. Mostly middle-aged males. They're very caught up with appearances, and they don't like us because we make people uncomfortable. They also don't like potheads. And if you think people can't tell you smoke pot, TRUST ME THEY CAN. Might as well change ONE of those two aspects of yourself, if you want a decent shot at a job.
Myself, I'm a programmer. I work on contract, and don't get a lot of money, but I work basically alone all day. But it's one of the easiest fields for us to get into, because companies don't want people like us dealing with the public.
Either that or just learn to be cool with daylighting as a man.You can keep long hair if it's tied back very plainly, although even then it brings points against you in interviews. Makeup is probably out, though.
Good luck.

To be honest it doesn't sound like you're really looking for a career, at least not yet. If you really, sincerely want to advance in the workplace then you're going to have to accept that as a transperson you're going to face more barriers and have to work harder than anyone else. If you want to make a go of it, you need to pack in the drink and the drugs, sort out your education (maybe go back to school, maybe train for a trade) and generally get your shit together.

If you're just looking to keep the wolf from the door, then you've got tons of options nowadays. There are myriad jobs in transcription and secretarial support, telesales, customer support, call handling and all sorts of other malarkey that can be done from home, usually without even a face-to-face interview. You could be a purple monster from outer space for all they care, as long as you get the job done.

As the previous poster stated, the IT industry is a good one to work in as folks tend to be a bit more tolerant of oddness as long as you get the job done. On the other hand, you'll need to knuckle down and get some serious skills under your belt; While there are a lot of good jobs out there for people with the right skills, there is also a glut of poorly-qualified IT staff out there chasing after too few bad jobs. The IT sector is pretty much unique in having a significant number of employers who will hire purely on the basis of merit, regardless of your employment history, formal qualifications or anything else.

The charitable sector is a good bet that is often overlooked - in many charitable and public-sector organisations, being GLBT is a significant advantage, at least when it comes to getting your foot in the door. Here in the UK a lot of such organisations have policies stating that they must offer an interview to all suitably qualified candidates belonging to a discriminated-against minority. If you can get involved in GLBT activism then there are really good prospects for you.

Whether you'd be comfortable being the 'token tranny' is your business, but there are a surprising number of quite conservative organisations who really need to pad out their ranks with queers and ethnics and cripples in order to deflect allegations of discrimination.

Your absolute best option by about a zillion miles is to start your own business. If you've got the resources and drive to do so then everything's gravy - you'll have to slog your bloody guts out, but eventually you get to make the rules.

Honestly though, it sounds like you need to sort your life out. Pack in the weed, cut back on the drinking, learn to love yourself a little.

Real food-service jobs are acception of anyone with skills. That is to say, cooks.

I don't care how someone looks if they talk like they know what they are doing, work efficiently, can motivate themselves, etc. (Also: can cook?)

TL;DR most people I know would hire a transitioning girl NP if they are good.

Remember though, this is strictly for real cooking jobs, not fast food and not franchised garbage. Learn to cook, walk in to a good restaurant in your city on a monday/tuesday, ask to speak with the chef if they are present, or find when they are. Don't leave a resume with peons. Talk to the chef.

This may not be what you want at all, but it's the advice I can give from the knowledge I have.

>>522
accepting*

If your willing to come into the city, http://www.mazzonicenter.org/ is a great place. Their waiting list is really long though to get a therapist unfortunately. (like 2-3 months)

If you have a sister or female friend, you could ask them to hide it all for you. Don't ask your girl or boyfriend, assuming you have one: what if you two broke up? There'd go all your clothes!

Get some you can lock and put it all in that.

I dunno what else without knowing more about what you have access to. The question is, do you have any ideas?

>>496

I always used "I'm storing it for my friend sort of deal and keep it in the back of the closet.

holy shit, those are high doses.

As long as the active ingredient's the same, it doesn't matter I think... I did hear some folks on premarin felt things grow real fast but heard the side effects are really bad.

Ok so I looked into these "gaff"s and they just look like thongish underwear designed for men. how does it hide your bulge?

Yea, gaff's are basically just really tight underwear..

Do a normal "tuck" then take the scrotal skin, and fold it over your penis, kind of like a taco. Then put tape across. I usually use 2-3 ~3" strips. I prefer micropore paper tape. Transpore works, too. But I find it "slips" And Duct tape also works.

But remember, SHAVE before using tape. Or you will get an unpleasant surprise on removal.

>>153

sound advice i'm sure lol um... are you able to still urinate in this fashion? or do you have to remove and unfold?

>>157

Yea, you can pee. You have to sit down, though. ^_^

It just makes like a little "sleeve" over everything. And mr peter slides up in, but when you sit down it should pop back out.

long version

>>200

What the hell does that stuff say?

>>200
What happens when you get a Hard-on?

>>153

Where do you buy micropore/transpore tape?

>>455

Pain, lol.

>>472

Should be in most chemists.

>>473

> Should be in most chemists.

That sounds painful for the chemists.

I didn't know black licorice helped toggle human hormones...

minor hrt and diet = eating a shitload of this to maintain any sort of hormonal difference

last i remember flax is really the only potent thing so hope you really like flax

Oh my, I never thought of that but I would guess in the female bathroom.

I use the female. But I'm quite a ballsy bastard, so I can't say that goes for all.

the bush?

I'm not a trap, so the Men's.

But I have too many frazzled nerves to stand at a urinal while wearing boots, slimming jeans, and a cute top... but then again, I don't ever really stand up to pee anymore anyways.

maybe because I'm in California, but no one is going to tell you to get out and use the other bathroom. What are they going to do, pull and push you out?

chances are the other people are just as scared of being wrong or saying something dumb if they notice anything weird. I usually use the girls bathroom now, but I'll go into the men's when I'm desperate (their lines are a fuck ton shorter) or it's just convenient (I don't want to walk all the way down stairs to use the bathroom).

[aa]ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!![/aa]

the handicap/family one... cause that's unisex.

whenever I'm out in public in my dress, makeup and heels, I always really contemplate going into the women's, but chicken out at the last minute and end up using the men's -_______- I can deal with the comments and the stares, but not the thought of getting thrown out of a place for using the wrong bathroom (so I'm paranoid, sue me)

I walked into the women's restroom the other day without thinking. I ussually use the men's, unless I'm really confident about passing, and even then I USUALLY only use the women's if I have a girl friend or two with me.

It's called Turner Syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

>>378

It's called impossible. In the image the code is swapping around into all sorts of combinations.

>>378

>Turner syndrome is only present in females.

>>103

Okay, let's sort this out.

X = Gamete all sexes have.
XY = Male.
Y = Male Chromosome.
Y, Y, Y, Y, and Y = Trying to be a dude?
YY = Impossible. Probably a reference to being ultra dude.
XX = Female.

XX = Female
YY = No idea, it's impossible.
Xy/Yx = Some junior school genetics, thinking that you can have dominant and recessive genes.
XYX = Triosome Condition. Klinefelter's. Dude with breasts, essentially, and other female features.
YXY = Excess Y chromosome, can result in massive height, large amounts of acne, or aggression.

Summary: OP doesn't get genetics.

>Xy
>Yx

WTF are the little ones, children?

>>396
Y chromosome carries the genes for turning a fetus into a guy

With Y missing, we all default to female

>>427
They're the passive ones rather than dominant.

>>437
youre talking about genes not chromosomes

>>408
GOD!
X is boy, Y is girl x and y are littleuns
it's not THAT hard

>>462

Having Xx or Xy = a little one makes absolutely no sense.

Still, if it makes OP happy.